Jewish Homes Around The Town Square Perimeter

Many of the homes (or buildings) around the Klodawa Town Square are said to have been owned or rented by Jewish families prior to World War II.

My father, Max Rotbart, lived in one of them with his parents and sister.  I had a hunch when I visted Klodawa which apartment may have been my family's, but I couldn't confirm it.

Does anyone recognize these apartments?  Who lived in them? 

 

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  • 3/14/2006 5:33 AM kawa wrote:
    the one story house belongs to my wife's family- kawa, it was the only one story house in the center. try to make it possible to enlarge the photos as older people find it difficult, also i cannot read the merchants list
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    1. 3/14/2006 8:02 PM Dean Rotbart wrote:

      I have enlarged the photos, as you suggested.  I hope they are easier to view.  If you still have problems let me know and I'll email the photos directly to you.

      I'm still not sure I know which of the homes belonged to your wife's family.  They all look like two-stories or more to me.  What color was it.

      Can you tell me more about your wife's family?  What did they do?  What were their names?  What happened to them (did they escape the camps)?

      Please contribute all the information that you can so that we can all learn.

      Many Thanks,

      DEAN


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      1. 3/15/2006 1:56 AM kawa wrote:
        on the very left,hardly caught in the photo, appears to be a green sign above a window,this is our one story house. if you can e-mail the photo, so that i can enlarge it, i will try to show it to the person that lived there
        best wishes, your site look fine,
        robert
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  • 3/17/2006 11:20 PM Ron wrote:
    Dean,

    The white 3-story building was my Grandmother's brother's house. I have to ask my father what his first name was but his last name was Szczecinski. He died in the Holocaust. I will ask my Father for more information about him but since my Dad was only 10 when the war started, I am not sure what else he will remember.

    Ron
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    1. 3/17/2006 11:23 PM Dean Rotbart wrote:
      That is valuable information.  One goal I would have is to create a 'map' of Klodawa, highlighting where each of our families lived.  I'm still trying to figure out where along the town square my father's family resided.  Each house I eliminate gets me one house closer to a bullseye.  Thanks.  DEAN
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  • 3/17/2006 11:28 PM Ron wrote:
    One more comment: This picture was taken from in front of my Great-Grandfather's house. His name was Moses (Mosz) Szczecinski. Next to his house was another house owned by my family: Naftali Tabaczynski was married to my Grandmother's (Helena or Xena per her birth record) sister Rosalia. Additionally, another sister, Halina was married to a man named Marzak and lived on the street as well. Just around the corner was my Great-Grandfather's leather shop.

    Ron
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    1. 3/18/2006 1:33 AM Dean Rotbart wrote:
      Here are two more homes from the market square in Klodawa.  The two-story yellow structure, which was a Jewish home, is located on the corner and is opposite the town hall.  The grey building -- which I don't know whether it was Jewish or not -- is at No. 8 Market Square.

      Anyone who knows more about these two structures, please share your knowledge with us.



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      1. 3/18/2006 9:32 AM Ron wrote:
        Dean,

        The yellow house, which is now used by the town for administrative functions (I had thought that it was the town hall) was owend by my Great-Grandfather, Moses Szczecinski. He raised his 12 kids there. Upon his death in 1927, ownership passed to his children. When the war began in 1939, my Grandfather, Icek Jozef Wolkowicz, took his family there because he thought it was safer to be in a small town than the city of Kalisz, where they lived. At some point, probably no later than early-mid 1940, the Nazis forced them out of the house and took it over to use as their headquarters in the town until the Soviet Union overran Poland in early 1945.

        Ron
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  • 3/19/2006 1:14 PM Judy Muratore wrote:
    Dean-

    If you look closely at the photo that I have submitted of my family's home at 10 Rynek, you will see it is almost identical the tall pinkish colored building (next to the yellow one, and on the left of the red van). At first glance, I noticed a similarity. But, as I examined even closer--the windows, doors and balconies matched exactly. In addition, there is a small blue square on the bottom of the buildings in both photos, and the home to the right is bright yellow. Also, the tree in front seems to be the same.

    Do you agree? I would be willing to bet that the photo you have posted includes Rynek No. 10. Do you know the name of the street where this was taken? The street name may have been changed by the Germans and not renamed. I'm not familiar with how that process went.

    If it is not, than it is a striking coincidence of the similarity. Maybe there are several buildings that have that same structure--but the yellow house to the right with those windows all matching as well seems too coincidental.

    The photo that I have was taken by my cousin in 1997. Yours was taken in 2001.

    Do you agree??

    Judy
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  • 6/26/2009 4:23 AM LEWIN wrote:
    Hello Dean,
    i would like to fix my fathers mistake, on his comment from 3/2006:
    our family that owned the one story house in the twon square in the LEWIN family, and not as mentioned above.
    did you ever create a map of klodawa?
    L.
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  • 6/30/2009 5:11 PM Chris Phillips wrote:
    Has anyone used the Books of Residents for Klodawa? These provide lists of people with dates of birth, parentage and so on, and each house is given a number. A fellow researcher was provided with some entries by a professional genealogist in Poland. They were undated, but apparently came from the 1870s or thereabouts. I don't know how easy it would be to link up the numbers of the houses with street addresses, but assuming that geography played some role in the numbering, it might be useful to combine the information with the identifications you've already made.
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    1. 7/1/2009 4:27 PM Ron Volk wrote:
      I have never heard of these Books of Residents, Chris, but would be interested in learning more about them. Can you provide some direction on how we can get a hold of the informatin within them?
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      1. 7/18/2009 7:11 AM Chris Phillips wrote:
        I must apologise - I tried to post a reply some time ago, but it doesn't seem to have appeared.

        The Books of Residents are described on the JRI Poland website, here:
        http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/bor.htm

        By following the instructions I found that the following records for Klodawa had survived:

        (1) Tytul spisu Ksiega ludnosci stalej gminy Klodawa
        Miejscowosc Klodawa
        Województwo Konin
        Obszar gmina
        Nazwa zespolu Akta gminy Klodawa
        Daty 1872-1914
        Numer zespolu 37
        Sygnatura 168
        Ilosc jednostek 1
        Numer karty k. 1-355
        Zawartosc spisu ksiegi meldunkowe, rejestry meldunkowe
        Doprecyzowanie zawartosci spisu ludnosc stala

        And four others for which the details were similar, except for those listed below:

        (2) Sygnatura 169
        Ilosc jednostek 1
        Numer karty k. 1-403

        (3) Sygnatura 170
        Ilosc jednostek 1
        Numer karty -

        (4) Sygnatura 171
        Ilosc jednostek 1
        Numer karty k. 1-286

        (5) Sygnatura 172
        Ilosc jednostek 1
        Numer karty k. 1-317

        I believe the records are all in Russian for this period, and as far as I know the only way of getting access to the information would be through a researcher who could visit the archives in Konin.
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      2. 7/24/2009 3:25 PM Chris Phillips wrote:
        I've tried twice to reply with further information, but for some reason my posts haven't appeared.

        I'll try again, and will split the reply into three, just to see if it helps.
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      3. 7/24/2009 3:26 PM Chris Phillips wrote:
        The Books of Residents are described on the JRI Poland website, here:
        http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/bor.htm

        By following the instructions I found that five records for Klodawa had survived.
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  • 7/2/2009 12:36 PM Chris Phillips wrote:
    There is some information on the Books of Residents on the JRI Poland website, with a link to the Polish State Archives website and instructions on how to find the records in the database:
    http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/bor.htm

    There are five volumes listed for Klodawa. The details for the first are as follows:

    Tytul spisu Ksiega ludnosci stalej gminy Klodawa
    Miejscowosc Klodawa
    Województwo Konin
    Obszar gmina
    Nazwa zespolu Akta gminy Klodawa
    Daty 1872-1914
    Numer zespolu 37
    Sygnatura 168
    Ilosc jednostek 1
    Numer karty k. 1-355
    Zawartosc spisu ksiegi meldunkowe, rejestry meldunkowe
    Doprecyzowanie zawartosci spisu ludnosc stala

    Then the others are similar, but with the following variations:

    Sygnatura 169
    Ilosc jednostek 1
    Numer karty k. 1-403

    Sygnatura 170
    Ilosc jednostek 1
    Numer karty -

    Sygnatura 171
    Ilosc jednostek 1
    Numer karty k. 1-286

    Sygnatura 172
    Ilosc jednostek 1
    Numer karty k. 1-317

    I don't think there's any alternative to hiring a professional researcher to make extracts. If I understand correctly, the records are in Russian for this period.
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  • 7/24/2009 3:27 PM Chris Phillips wrote:
    The details of the surviving records are:

    (1) Tytul spisu Ksiega ludnosci stalej gminy Klodawa
    Miejscowosc Klodawa
    Województwo Konin
    Obszar gmina
    Nazwa zespolu Akta gminy Klodawa
    Daty 1872-1914
    Numer zespolu 37
    Sygnatura 168
    Ilosc jednostek 1
    Numer karty k. 1-355
    Zawartosc spisu ksiegi meldunkowe, rejestry meldunkowe
    Doprecyzowanie zawartosci spisu ludnosc stala

    And four others for which the details were similar, except for those listed below:

    (2) Sygnatura 169
    Ilosc jednostek 1
    Numer karty k. 1-403

    (3) Sygnatura 170
    Ilosc jednostek 1
    Numer karty -

    (4) Sygnatura 171
    Ilosc jednostek 1
    Numer karty k. 1-286

    (5) Sygnatura 172
    Ilosc jednostek 1
    Numer karty k. 1-317

    I believe the records are all in Russian for this period, and as far as I know the only way of getting access to the information would be through a researcher who could visit the archives in Konin.
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